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My view of gay marriage (removed by YouTube)
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While there were slaves in the...
Many people who are "servants" are not bound in shackles or forced to work. They are servants by choice who would otherwise be in poverty and not be able to cloth/feed themselves. So not every scripture about a "servant" was meaning they were a bound slave.
That is the way it was and should NOT be compared to slaves of Blacks, etc. Which we know was wrong.
#1- Marriage wasnt created by christiany or judism its actually older than greek culture and you can get married without going through relgion atheists do it all the time
#2- In America we are supposed to have this nifty little thing known as seperation of church and state so really shouldnt matter either way
#3- but just remember that the divorce is 70% and that's all on ya'll
Glad I found you here too, Alfonzo. God bless you.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY TOOK YOU OFF OF YOUTUBE!!! They're playing a lot of games over there. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you said.
Homosexuals rejected the...
Very well...we did.
But now, they demand that we change our standards to include their same-sex 'marriages'.
I say: NO Way!
NOT adam & steve!
Separation of church and state isn't part of the constitution it is basically a liberal talking point taken out of context from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a baptist preacher to assure him that the government would not interfere in his churches teachings.
to a new land with his...
I'd like you to take another look at the Bible and see if you can find anywhere it says that God approved of that. People cherry-picking their stories from the Bible and using text out of context is such a weak form of debate, and yet I see it all the time. For the record, just because something is mentioned in the Bible it doesn't automatically get God's approval. The Bible talks about rape, incest, murder, drunkenness, infanticide, witchcraft, and just about any other bad thing you can think of.
Also, Old Testament ceremonial distinctions of the law were abrogated in the New Testament (Acts 10:9-15), so the earlier rant about shell-fish and menstruating women is moot.
Now then, people point out that marriage is hardly sacred anymore with divorce rates on the rise and other such statistics. This is a sad fact, but it doesn't mean that marriage isn't sacred. It just means that sinful man no longer treats it as such. If someone is against homosexual marriage because they wish to protect the sanctity of marriage but cheat on their spouse, they're hypocrites of course. It doesn't change God's law.
As for preaching the bible. It always amazes me the conservative right bullet pointing the bible to their benefit. Now, do you still follow the rules of no pork? Do you refrain from sitting where a woman who is menstruating for seven days? She is unclean and you are to have NO contact with her. Now, in this country, if you have more than one wife, you are a criminal. Also, if you sleep with your child, you are the lowest of the lowest criminals. Yet the bible tells us how Lot left S&G and went to a new land with his daughters who "gave him drink and layed with him to receive his seed." Abraham had 700 wives. It goes on and on and on. Yet, we focus on the homosexuals. Of course we do. I am also sick to death of the stereotype that homos are leftist democrats with no morals. I voted McCain/Palin because I supported their ideals. Even though Palin disagreed with the lifestyle, she supported each individuals rights and each states right to choose. Separation of church and state. She stood for that. People have failed to realize that she truly was the REAL DEAL politician. Exactly what we needed. Machosauce has too many "opinions" to be a fair candidate for politics. Intelligence alone does not make a politician. Look at George W.! You must represent a country. You must put aside prejudices and find common ground. You must implement policies that will protect a nation and keep your people proud of their country. Imposing your religious propaganda is exactly what we are fighting in other countries. Again, if this is your wish, move there.
CJ
CJ
Keep running strong, for Him!...
insight, wisdom, and articulation to get His message out to this blind, needy, and hurting world. Love you... becuz of Him.
Keep running strong, for Him!...
insight, wisdom, and articulation to get His message out to this blind, needy, and hurting world. Love you... becuz of Him.
MACHO, u and i have the same...
but you, sir are much more eloquent than I
thx for speaking up for the rest of us, keep it up
#1 It doesn't matter what YOU call tyranny. He, ans well as everyone else, has the right to use whatever standard they see fit to shape their culture as they want it-which is what he is, in essence, doing here. In fact, you are trying to stop him from making his argument based on what YOU believe. There is no difference at this point in what either of you are attempting, and therefore, his argument is no less valid than yours.
#2 Straw men are great at Halloween, but not in logical arguments-which is what you are attempting to "school"him on. What Solomon had was a privileged life, where he got to have the rules he wanted, thus all the wives/concubines. It has no bearing on Gay marriage, because there is nothing to suggest he was engaged in one. In fact, it was a settled issue in Israel's societal culture, throughout history, that homosexual acts were forbidden and punishable. If your (weak) attempt was to show that leaders in the Bible didn't follow what was expected of them by God, you are missing the point. We all fail; we all get it wrong in our attempts, and Solomon was no different. And, he paid a price for his disobedience. Sorry if it wasn't up to your standards.
#3 I'm not exactly sure WHAT you're trying to argue here. That not everyone likes the idea of life-after-death? That not everyone likes the idea of an immortal "spirit" or "soul"? So what?? Just because you don't like it doesn't exist/isn't true-just like someone liking the idea doesn't mean it IS true. And, "so you impose and assume this into your
arguments." Huh??? I mean, he's allowed to put whatever elements he wants into his argument. If you don't like them, so what?
#4 I don't know enough about his argument to address this. Perhaps he draws a distinction between "civil union" and "gay marriage"? If he's saying the gay community has those rights without there being a need to allow gay "marriage", go right and refute that as you see fit.
#5 Gotta love it when anyone throws this out to individuals. The First Amendment is FOR citizens-it can't be applied against them. In fact, if he can't impose his religious beliefs onto other citizens, neither can you (or, your lack of them). It works both ways, but neither of you are "government entities", and therefore can have whatever convictions you want, can put them into effect as you see fit, etc.
#7 So? If you don't share the faith, you don't get to dictate how those that do share it live it. Besides, did he call eating shellfish an abomination of the "ritually unclean" kind, or the "moral law" kind? What did he say about homosexual acts? C'mon...do the detective work and read the entire context of the sections in question.
#7 Ahh...the "decent evidence" clause. Just who determines what makes evidence "decent" or not? You? Why should you get to determine it for the rest of humanity? I find the evidence to be more than decent, and I really could care less if you, or anyone else, disagree. In fact, why don't you swing your "judgment" pendulum back in your own direction? You want to use your assumptions (and we all know about "assumptions"...) as an authority in society, but you aren't in any better of a position to do so than Macho is. What gives YOU the right? And, on a side note, you talk about taking peoples' rights away. You do realize that the rights that are defined in our government are considered to come from our "Creator", and not man himself, right? In that case, if you don't believe in God, how can you avail yourself the rights enumerated in the Constitution? It doesn't make much sense to claim them, but disavow their Originator. And if you don't see any discrepancy there (God help you), just how DO you explain it? That the Founding Fathers were wrong about our "Creator"? Then, how do you know that they didn't get it wrong about "rights"???
I can tell you are an intelligent person. Please, when you get the chance, look up the logical laws of an argument.
Wow, and WE get called narrow...
and makes God even more real. Wow, the law of opposites is a Marxist philosophy, that's funny, and sad at the same time,
Wowwee, look! opposites again!
I agree with your ideas on most aspects, however, there are a few topics that are debatable.
If you believe that people are born gay, does that not mean that God intended them to be gay? Thus, God accepts gays, correct?
As far as marriage goes, there are two types of marriage. Religious marriage and civil marriage. The ceremony in which marriage happens is called a wedding where (most of the time) both a religious and civil marriage occur.
A civil marriage is a legally binding contract with legal consequences, whereas a religious marriage is more of an oath with religious consequences.
The reason why we have a civil marriage is because the First Amendment denies the government the ability to legally respect an establishment of religion. Consequently, the religious marriage as well.
The "abomination" in which you refer would be in the traditional religious marriage, where a man and a woman join in "holy" matrimony.
If you are only referring to a religious marriage, depending on the religion, you are absolutely correct. However, on a civil level, its actually quite unconstitutional to disallow gay and polygamous marriages. As for the animals... an animal cannot enter a contract, thus an animal cannot marry anything.
Yet you use it in your rant? IDK, maybe I'm missing something. here
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